Such a loving bunch, arent they?!). When HE transitioned the church from Elders to committees the ground work was laid for unbiblical polity. Im not sure why you would describe Dr. Kings sentiments as ridiculous and ungodly. Theres only one human race. THAT IS OK! One Denomination that claims to hold the Christian faith to avoid is the Southern Baptist Churces and their affiliations. God used their faithfulness and devotion to create a mighty ministry through FBCN. This happened just three days after the church vote concerning Marcus Hayes. A portion of the 19% that voted against Marcus Hayes did so based on racial prejudices. First Baptist Naples is, ethnically, a predominantly white church but we are not a racist church.. Stephens said neither she nor any member of her family wrote the e-mail, adding that none of the church staff ever reached out or spoke to me. She also said the detectives told her that no criminal actions had taken place.. First Baptist Church of Naples Florida Openly Admits Congregational Racism October 30, 2019 by admin In a recent story from Religion News Source (RNS) it was revealed that First Baptist Church of Naples, Florida, failed to elect a new pastor because he was black. At the time, Wicker seemed to be well-respected by his church and denomination. God has to be deeply saddened by this, knowing that so much more could be done. Blake Crawford and former deacon, Mike Dolan, said they were also suspended around that time. Mancini said its standard to recommend that an outgoing senior pastor not be involved in a pastoral succession process. Jonathan Akin is also national director of young leaders for SBCs North American Mission Board. Now with COVID-19 churches this size are facing a very quick death. The process did not adhere to or reflect any biblical model. The church decided to use the racism card instead ACTUALLY deal with the real issues going on. SATURDAY, Dec 10 (4pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. We likewise contacted SBC President J.D. "A portion of the 19% that voted against Marcus Hayes did so based on racial prejudices," Executive Pastor John D. Edie wrote in an Oct. 31 letter to the Southern Baptist Convention. The FBC Naples leaders vowed to deal with this sinful cancer and added that church discipline had already started. Wicker said the church never responded to his letter. Just fill out this form and let us know your needs. Yet Wicker said that without his approval or prior knowledge, a statement read by Boone was inserted at the beginning of the video, saying that Wicker had confessed to misuses of power and actions unbecoming of a Senior Pastor. This statement was also emailed to church members on May 23. Like when my colorblind friends didnt understand my discomfort when we chose to stop on a road trip in a small town with confederate flags waiving everywhere. Most church experiences, when it comes to a new Senior Pastor, are just that, a celebration and a time of looking forward with hope and optimism to what God has for the future. FBA is a discipleship school dedicated to preparing the next generation to serve in God's Kingdom. We met his wife and daughters. Sandra received her Bachelor's degree in Elementary Education from our local college, Florida Gulfcoast University in 2001. Arkansas Youth Pastor Pleads Guilty to 13 Counts of Sexual Assault, Churches Respond to Action of SBC Executive Committee, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. "Marcus Hayes, a highly respected and a well-qualified pastor, remains the man that we believe God has called to be our next pastor," Dorrill said to a standing ovation from the congregation. Im inclined to believe it wasnt racially motivated. this approach to transition can become a helpful model for other churches.. Last fall, First Baptist Church (FBC) Naplesa prominent Southern Baptist megachurch in southwest Floridamade national headlines for rejecting an African American pastoral candidate because of some alleged racist members. Regardless of who is at fault for what, this is NOT what Church should be. All of the events need to be understood in the context of the overriding event and the church governance that permitted this to happen. He and his wife live in the Washington, D.C. area with their son. Food. And if He wanted us all to be the same, He wouldve made us the same. I guess thats why this slanderous information is labeled as commentary. An earlier version of this article named the group accused of stealing the email addresses as concerned FBCN members. Upvote 1 Downvote. hating even the garment polluted by the flesh (Jude 23). Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. What does this say about Big Eva? ".for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations." Isaiah 56:7 Need Prayer? This is a demonstration of holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof. And Paul goes on to say So, Turn away from these, also. Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. (Hey, and I know white people who love Woke Church!) Dorrill also serves on FBC Naples finance committee. The congregation must find a way to publicly be able to bring Hayes Wicker and his family back into this fellowship as loved and former members. FBC Naples, recently listed as the 64th largest SBC church in the country, appears to be withering in the wake of the scandal. Love for Jesus, for my fellow brother/sister and love for the truth. The First Naples School of Worship Arts exists to develop Christ-honoring worshipers through quality instruction for the purpose of exalting the Lord with their God-given talents and abilities. Experienced first hand Church Bullying, Over blown egos, inability and refusal to be biblically teachabe. I can tell you I am not a racist. Check the upcoming First Baptist Church - Naples schedule for concerts, shows, and events in 2023-2024 to find the best tickets for all events at First Baptist Church - Naples. At the end of the service we found the pastor in The Commons area. Colson thought so highly of an oath of integrity that Wicker had written that Colson included the oath in his landmark book,The Body. Location Berean Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church located in the beautiful community of Naples, Florida, just south of Ft. Myers. . (Auxanos founder, Will Mancini, also serves as director of consulting for Lifeway, the publishing division of the SBC.). The following Tuesday, April 23, Wicker met with FBC Naples leaders including Dorrill, Chairman of the Personnel Committee Troy Boone, Chairman of the Finance Committee Don Collier, and Chairman of Deacons Terry Cole. Just like there are women who are pro-Gloria Steinem feminists, and there are women who are not fans of Gloria, black people are capable of holding differing opinions too. No One Knows. Of course, it is obvious you have a vested interest in attacking those putting out the facts. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church, that raises up the next generation of disciple makers, church planters, missionaries, and world changers, to reach Naples to the Nations. Privacy Policy
First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. Raising concerns over a pastoral candidates seeming endorsement of the book Woke Church doesnt make someone a racist. Considering slave owners slept with slaves (even in my own ancestry), whites befriended their black help all while denying their equal rights it is possible to have friends and even spouses of other races and still have issues with bias and prejudice. Sylee Gibson, an excommunicated member who works in law enforcement, added that the man chairing the FBC Naples senior pastor search team is a Florida businessman with a checkered pastNeil Dorrill. (Hayes this month took his first senior pastor position at a church in Texas.). Despite his disagreement with the process, Wicker said he submitted to an exit agreement offered by the church, which included a non-disclosure clause. The leadership structure for the past 500 years in pretty much all of our churches is just refurbished Roman Catholicism. It also noted that Hayes didnt meet the criteria members had stated for the next senior pastorthat he have five years of experience as a senior pastor. Honestly, the system that ousted him is the machine he created. By circumventing the clear teachings of Matthew 18:15-17 regarding church discipline, this process showcases glaring problems with approaches to discipline that rely entirely on church oligarchies. Did people voice concerns and questions about Marcus? Items. When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? I am not lesser or better, but different. concerned with factors other than racism, such as Marcus Hayes So sick of this hate and evil which is exactly what this all is. Select the event you would like to attend below: FRIDAY, Dec 9 (7pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Doesnt matter what denomination or race you are, all of this drama is toxic on a nuclear level for the body and spirit and surely the work of Satan himself. On the surface, Marcus Hayes is a highly recommended pastor who is seemingly qualified for the role. Christians should model justice and love to the world. God has done great things among us and we believe that greater things are yet to come! announced his intention to transition gradually out of the churchs pastorate Been here 25+ times. Click on the link below to see how you can use your gifts and talents for the Kingdom, from Naples to the nations! As managing editor of the former Florida Baptist Witness (state paper) I was witness to many of Hayes Wickers years of fruitful ministry. What Bible verse says that it is a good idea to borrow money to make your church building bigger and more fancy? I read about this over at The Wartburg Watch. FBC Naples also sent several cease and desist letters from prominent law firm, Holland & Knight, to several church members suspected of having involvement with the Voices of FBCN email. The 26-year-old guard, Jemel Roberson, was detaining a suspected gunman who opened fire at the bar where Roberson worked when the police officer fatally shot Roberson. "We all realize that the year of 2019 has been very difficult in the life of our church," Dorrill said. He didnt return multiple phone calls and e-mails. Jonathan Head November 26, 2011. The controversy, which quickly spread in religious circles online, has suddenly thrust the North Naples church into an unwelcome spotlight, much to the dismay of some members. I will say this with as much humility as I can muster at this time.The letter from FBCN was a lie! Well-sourced. The judge in the case withheld a conviction but gave Dorrill a $10,000 fine and three years probation. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: In mid-January, Wicker, 68, In the tweet, the attorney, Lee Merritt, wrote in part that investigators claim "all the shooter saw was black" and said that was "exactly the problem.". So very sorry, but not everything is about race and not everyone is a racist. Dwight McKissic, a prominent African American SBC pastor in Arlington, Texas. If you promote that, take a LONG look in the mirror. Roku Live Streaming, Copyright 2023 ITP Productions, Inc. dba ChristianWorldMedia.com, All Rights Reserved, Welcome to First Naples! At least four emails were "broadly sent," he wrote, with others privately sent. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. Sadly, too many people are more committed to idols than to truth and righteousness. Bob Caudill, a former deacon and spokesman for Concerned Members of FBCN, said that a month before the vote on Marcus Hayes, the group had circulated a petition requesting a special business meeting to discuss serious concerns at FBC Naples. Church leaders have alleged that race played a role in the failed vote to affirm Hayes, causing a firestorm of heated discussion on social media and spawning posts by religious websites and blogs. For adults and children ages 4+, we offer private and group lessons on the church campus with experienced musicians who are devoted to giving their . Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. Yet, thats what multiple sources have alleged is happening to them. Regardless of what specific concerns were held, its important to know that 1) no evidence of genuine racism on the part of those holding them has surfaced, and 2) the efforts these members made to ask questions and express reservations were not taken seriously. SUNDAY, Dec 11 (4pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! However, in May, Wicker said he agreed to videotape a short farewell message to members from a script both he and the personnel committee had approved. Their considerations related to legitimate theological, moral, and political issues. Pray for Me; Log In We are simultaneously soldiers, commissioned to wage war for the defense and dissemination of the truth in the face of countless onslaughts against it. Sadly, that did not come to fruition. @Michelle I believe you make valid points. Also, the concept of colorblindness is nice in theory but is biologically impossible (unless you are colorblind). Looking for past sermons? Wicker said several weeks later, the church emailed him, stating that Wicker had facilitated and cooperated with a rival faction in the church, which voided his exit agreement. In addition, those who have been excommunicated, as well as former Pastor Hayes Wicker, say they feel like their reputations have been sullied. Yet Caudill said that when he spoke up in meetings, the 79-year-old deacon was deemed divisive.. When you see me, you will see I am a black woman. Takeaway: Using children as political pawns is despicable. Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. To donate, click here. Namely Hayes Wicker. A representative from the Collier County Sheriffs Office also confirmed that FBC Naples contacted them on July 3 regarding a suspicious incident., Wickers daughter, Allyson Stephens, said that on September 13, two detectives visited her home and questioned her about the Voices of FBCN email. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive. I can tell you not a single thing mentioned above played a role in my vote. Dwight McKissic for comment, but none responded. Visit: firstnaples.org/media. But more importantly, Ericksen said, members feel their voice isn't being heard by church leaders. Sadly, friction in the pastoral transition at FBC Naples has been present from the outset. And we are soldierscharged with pulling down ideological strongholds and casting down the lies and deception spawned by the forces of evil (2 Corinthians 10:35; 2 Timothy 2:34). The petition for a special business meeting was never even ACKNOWLEDGED by the leadership is a Violation of the bylaws. "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. Takeaway: The treatment of the retiring pastor at FBC Naples is eerily similar to the treatment of the retiring pastor at McLean Bible Church. Greear, who had written a letter of recommendation for Marcus Hayes, called the open letter by FBC Naples leadership a bold, Gospel-faithful response of the leadership of FBC Naples. Greear added, Let us be united in lament that any vestige of this kind of sinful prejudice remains in our churches., Also, Danny Akin, president of SBC-affiliated Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (SEBTS), described the open letter as a strong and redemptive word from FBC Naples.. Proverbs 18:17. I dont think you mean ill will, but just want to make you aware of how poorly comments like that tend to land. *I use scare quotes because the Woke phenom is only relevant in a certain context: it is very Americentric (talking like all white people are the same, for example), and not culturally or ethnically sensitive at all when on looks at the ethnic makeup of the church IN OTHER COUNTRIES. Our mission as soldiers is to overthrow false ideas. Naples Christmas Celebration. And they said, Surely, you will not die. In fact, concerned church members have come forward to reveal the questions and concerns they had about the nominee. Jesus said that He wants us to all be in unity and that He is building a church. political and theological statements and his lack of experience leading a I voted no to Mr. Hayes for two reasons. Now it certainly will as the debt load is unsustainable. However, at some point the church leadership became hostile to the longtime pastor, according to church members. Sources close to the church administration have said they fear raising any issues that might bring adverse consequences to them, their children, or their grandchildren. I have no hate here. While methods may change, our commitment to Biblical doctrine is a non-negotiable. to be clear. I just want to point out that when you say things like I am in a biracial marriage, it sounds a LOT like I have a black friend. Trust me, that gets you little more than eye-rolling. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. First Baptist Church has had problems for years. We recall the old Church too. Other parts of the email laid out concerns the group had with Hayes' tweets about books that deal with race and religion and questioned whether he had the necessary experience to take the post as senior pastor. These included a lack of transparency at the church, absence of vetted elders, and the public maligning of former longtime pastor, Hayes Wicker. In November, Caudill sent a letter to several prominent SBC leaders, including President Greear and SEBTS President Danny Akin, urging them to retract their statements supporting the racism narrative offered by FBC Naples. Marcus Hayes based upon prejudice, our church loves all people of all colors equally," Stearns wrote. Carla, thanks to my excommunicated status, I guess you could call me one of the dissenters and racists. Interesting. Church leaders at First Baptist Church Naples have blasted a faction of their congregation, alleging "racial prejudices" contributed to a failed vote late last month to name a black man. It is a populist movement of tremendous influence and minimal accountability. Connect with the reporter at patrick.riley@naplesnews.com or on Twitter @PatJRiley. The turmoil at FBC Naples began about a year ago, when longtime Senior Pastor Hayes Wicker announced to the church that he was stepping down to make way for younger fresher leadership.. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. We reached out to Dorrill, but he refused to answer any questions. We reached out to Phillips Harvey Group and FBC Naples to confirm, but they did not respond. Similarly, an article in The Grio asked, Did a Florida church not hire a pastor because he was Black? And Christianity Today stated, Black Pastor Candidate Withdraws After Controversial Vote at SBC Megachurch.. Wade Burleson is also part of the smear campaign, too. After Marcus Hayes failed to receive the necessary 85 percent affirmative vote to install him as pastor, the leadership of First Baptist Church Naples, including the church staff, launched a pogrom against dissenters. The power plays, ego trippin (yes, I did say trippin), greed, pride, etc., has been going on throughout church history. According to the inside source, soon after his employment at FBC Naples ended, Wicker was banned from the church campus. First, there are blacks who strenuously object to books like Woke Church, as well as intersectionality, and reparations for slavery. ADMISSIONS ATHLETICS BLOG CALENDAR CONTACT EMPLOYMENT FIRST NAPLES CHURCH GIVE . If not please hold your comments. Yet Caudill said that instead of calling a special meeting in accordance with church bylaws, the leadership at FBC Naples excommunicated 18 of the Concerned Members, including Caudill. He friended, then de-friended and blocked my wife on social media. Publisher Log-in
"Is that what the gospel is all about?". And before you go tagging me as a racist, I am in a biracial marriage myself. What a great and wise man of God he is? Terms of Service
This models anything but love and mocks justice. That is a perfect summary of every Christians duty in the war for the truth. I was shocked that they would make this immediate, Wicker said. Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. The day after excommunicating the 18 members, FBC Naples lay leadership and pastoral staff sent an open letter to the SBC, accusing some who didnt vote for Hayes, whos a member of the SBC Executive Committee, of racism. Hi. Soon, one way or another there will be a woke pastor in the pulpit of FBCN. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. Hayes, a member of the North Carolina executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention,garnered endorsements from other church leaders, including the president of the Southern Baptist Convention. To be blunt, it stinks and the whiff of corruption I detect is an autocratic sense of entitlement, with a touch of greed, perhaps, as well. Wicker also was pastor for 20 years to evangelical author and founder of Prison Fellowship, Chuck Colson. Now, everything I just said is my opinion. Submit. In it, the group details questions it has about Hayes' qualifications, his tweets and beliefs. Wicker said Dorrill banned him from pastoral search team meetings, and the chairmen of the personnel and finance committees told Wicker his oversight was not needed. Sad on many, many levels! Is not the sheer stupidity of this self-evident? But what was concluded was that all things were not fair nor were they right. Go. Instead, the group alleges that the racism charge was a ruse by men who had recently seized control of the church, expelled and maligned a beloved pastor of 27 years, and then fabricated a basis for excommunicating those who had objected. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Racism had Nothing to do with voting!It had to do with biblical principals that many questioned ( CRT, SJM, "Woke" Church). He didnt mentioned anything in the question and answer sessions or his sermon that gave me any indication reconciling and unifying our church was even on his radar. Gas. First Baptist Church Naples, she said,"is not a racist church by any stretch of the imagination. Wickers hopes for a smooth transition have been dashed. Just a couple of points for you to consider. Wicker responded with a 16-page letter refuting the charges against him. Good Ole Fascist techniques of taking away 1A rights are even occurring within the church. Takeaway: The problems here illustrate how important biblical models of church governance and judicial process are. Kenneth Bonnett, pastor of communications for the church, declined to offer specifics about the church's allegations, saying "it would not be proper for us to share that content openly.". If this were a Calvary Chapel organization, or any other offshoot of Chuck Smiths piracy, no one would be surprised. Here is a prime example of CRT. Im not sure where they are located now, nor what they are doing, but I feel confident God is using them in His way. We are frankly disappointed that no resolution is making it impossible as at now for all the lovely folks within Naples to move forward. But while we cannot know the heart of another, this doesnt sound like a case of hearts poisoned intolerance, of minds clouded by prejudice. Member of the Evangelical Theological Society
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